marlon2006
07-18 10:33 AM
I thought about that as well.
In my home country, you are *supposed* to list your age on your resume. I am not kidding. They don't consider your resume if you don't put your age there. If I go back there in few years from now (I am 34 now), I am not sure I would be successful there anymore.
Folks, we are in a very difficult situation. Our careers are in grave danger. I was planning to wait for GC to let potential employers pay my masters degree, but no way. I already submitted the paperwork to resume the sucker MBA this Fall and pay the whole thing from my pockets. Either that or I should trigger AC21 very soon.
If the October visa bulletin shows EB3 World stagnated or retrogressed, you can bet a Starbucks coffee I will be looking for another job/AC21 very fast.
Some people advise to wait and watch and some people ask to do something else. I would like to say one thing and it is purely my perspective. People who are waiting inline for 8-10years does not know when they will be getting their GC in hand. May be in next four to five years. By that time on average their age will be around 35-45.
Do you want to wait 4-5 years and do the job which you were doing 10years back?
Did you had any vision for your career when you started your GC and life?
Do you have the same vision now for your career and life?
Did you feel you and your family have sacrified enough in your personel life for this stupid GC?
IF YOU SAY I HAVE DECIDED TO GO BACK TO MY HOME COUNTRY:
Do you think you will get a managerial job if you go back to india at the age of 40 when you could see guys @30 doing that job with ease and with better experience?
Do you think becos of 10+years of expereince in programming field, indian companies will recruit you for managerial job?
Are you willing to work in India as a programmer with 10+ years of US exp under a 25-30 year old team lead or PM ?
If you say YES , YES , YES for all the above, do you think any indian company will recruit a programmer at the age of 40? forget about the salary you are going to ask for your exp which they will never accept.
So at the end if you wait long enough for GC, then it is better to wait here until you get it. At least you can save your life though you have to start your career from -10years. If you quit and decide to go back to your homecountry, your life is going to be tough.
Options for guys waiting for 8-10years for LC:
1. Try to get PMI Certification, CISA certificaiton.
2. Try to get TOEFL, GMAT scores and keep it ready.
3. Try to get in contacts with most of your friends and manpower agencies in India.
4. If you file for your 485 in next one or one and half years, then proeceed with MBA plans(parttime or full time or executive MBA) in top 25-30 business school.
5. Your waiting will yeild fruit in this country only with MBA as in next 10 years, US will need more managers than programmers to manager all their outsourced projects.
6. If you do not have such vision and you are happy with what you are doing now and if your job is secured for next 100years and if you feel that you will be happy in future by doing the same job and OK with other kids going up the ladder stepping on you and if you are ok reporting to them and listening to them, getting bashed by them etc etc, you can very well wait for next 100 years hoping to get GC one day.
I am not talking about one guy in one corner living beautiful life.
I am not talking about guys who are lucky on everthing to get on time including GC.
I am talking about majority of the people and general human nature, people who came to US with a vision for their career and life. People who have had and has a spark in their eyes.
In my home country, you are *supposed* to list your age on your resume. I am not kidding. They don't consider your resume if you don't put your age there. If I go back there in few years from now (I am 34 now), I am not sure I would be successful there anymore.
Folks, we are in a very difficult situation. Our careers are in grave danger. I was planning to wait for GC to let potential employers pay my masters degree, but no way. I already submitted the paperwork to resume the sucker MBA this Fall and pay the whole thing from my pockets. Either that or I should trigger AC21 very soon.
If the October visa bulletin shows EB3 World stagnated or retrogressed, you can bet a Starbucks coffee I will be looking for another job/AC21 very fast.
Some people advise to wait and watch and some people ask to do something else. I would like to say one thing and it is purely my perspective. People who are waiting inline for 8-10years does not know when they will be getting their GC in hand. May be in next four to five years. By that time on average their age will be around 35-45.
Do you want to wait 4-5 years and do the job which you were doing 10years back?
Did you had any vision for your career when you started your GC and life?
Do you have the same vision now for your career and life?
Did you feel you and your family have sacrified enough in your personel life for this stupid GC?
IF YOU SAY I HAVE DECIDED TO GO BACK TO MY HOME COUNTRY:
Do you think you will get a managerial job if you go back to india at the age of 40 when you could see guys @30 doing that job with ease and with better experience?
Do you think becos of 10+years of expereince in programming field, indian companies will recruit you for managerial job?
Are you willing to work in India as a programmer with 10+ years of US exp under a 25-30 year old team lead or PM ?
If you say YES , YES , YES for all the above, do you think any indian company will recruit a programmer at the age of 40? forget about the salary you are going to ask for your exp which they will never accept.
So at the end if you wait long enough for GC, then it is better to wait here until you get it. At least you can save your life though you have to start your career from -10years. If you quit and decide to go back to your homecountry, your life is going to be tough.
Options for guys waiting for 8-10years for LC:
1. Try to get PMI Certification, CISA certificaiton.
2. Try to get TOEFL, GMAT scores and keep it ready.
3. Try to get in contacts with most of your friends and manpower agencies in India.
4. If you file for your 485 in next one or one and half years, then proeceed with MBA plans(parttime or full time or executive MBA) in top 25-30 business school.
5. Your waiting will yeild fruit in this country only with MBA as in next 10 years, US will need more managers than programmers to manager all their outsourced projects.
6. If you do not have such vision and you are happy with what you are doing now and if your job is secured for next 100years and if you feel that you will be happy in future by doing the same job and OK with other kids going up the ladder stepping on you and if you are ok reporting to them and listening to them, getting bashed by them etc etc, you can very well wait for next 100 years hoping to get GC one day.
I am not talking about one guy in one corner living beautiful life.
I am not talking about guys who are lucky on everthing to get on time including GC.
I am talking about majority of the people and general human nature, people who came to US with a vision for their career and life. People who have had and has a spark in their eyes.
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gsc999
06-30 12:39 AM
This is an interesting development. It will create a clear division among supporters of CIR. It is so enticing to say,"who cares about CIR if we have SKIL" from our perspective. Hopefully this is a sincere effort not just some political posturing.
We will find out.
Please see this post by wolfpok
from wsj online, washington wire:
June 28, 2006, 4:57 pm
Skilled Bill
In a move that high-tech groups predict could break the impasse over immigration legislation, Arizona’s John Shadegg, a member of the House leadership, says he’ll introduce legislation to increase visas and citizenship opportunities for skilled workers.
The bill mirrors a Senate Republican-sponsored bill and would more than double the number of temporary visas and permanent green cards available to skilled workers each year. The bill also would make it easier for U.S.-educated foreign nationals to stay here after graduation and work in their field of study.
The measure is the first time Republican conservatives in the House have endorsed any immigration bill that didn’t deal solely with border enforcement. A Shadegg spokesman said some House members also favor passing a measure that makes more visas available to agriculture workers. He predicted that action could begin on both measures after Congress comes back from its summer recess — and after a long string of House immigration hearings has run its course.
That still leaves out a guest-worker program and some plan for dealing with illegal immigrants already here, but would inch the House closer to a Senate immigration-overhaul bill.
Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner (R., Wis.) has insisted he won’t permit any immigration bill to pass until border enforcement is tightened. If a measure that eases visa backlogs for highly skilled workers has to go through his committee, “that could be a problem,” says a Shadegg spokesman.
But high-tech groups say the bill shines attention on their need for skilled workers, and on what they call the dangers to U.S. competitiveness if more visas aren’t made available. “It lets us talk about our issue,” says the National Association of Manufacturers’s Sandra Boyd. –June Kronholz
We will find out.
Please see this post by wolfpok
from wsj online, washington wire:
June 28, 2006, 4:57 pm
Skilled Bill
In a move that high-tech groups predict could break the impasse over immigration legislation, Arizona’s John Shadegg, a member of the House leadership, says he’ll introduce legislation to increase visas and citizenship opportunities for skilled workers.
The bill mirrors a Senate Republican-sponsored bill and would more than double the number of temporary visas and permanent green cards available to skilled workers each year. The bill also would make it easier for U.S.-educated foreign nationals to stay here after graduation and work in their field of study.
The measure is the first time Republican conservatives in the House have endorsed any immigration bill that didn’t deal solely with border enforcement. A Shadegg spokesman said some House members also favor passing a measure that makes more visas available to agriculture workers. He predicted that action could begin on both measures after Congress comes back from its summer recess — and after a long string of House immigration hearings has run its course.
That still leaves out a guest-worker program and some plan for dealing with illegal immigrants already here, but would inch the House closer to a Senate immigration-overhaul bill.
Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner (R., Wis.) has insisted he won’t permit any immigration bill to pass until border enforcement is tightened. If a measure that eases visa backlogs for highly skilled workers has to go through his committee, “that could be a problem,” says a Shadegg spokesman.
But high-tech groups say the bill shines attention on their need for skilled workers, and on what they call the dangers to U.S. competitiveness if more visas aren’t made available. “It lets us talk about our issue,” says the National Association of Manufacturers’s Sandra Boyd. –June Kronholz
patha007
06-02 02:21 PM
My wife is on H4. She has applied for SSN for stimulus package and got denial letter. How will be useful this letter to get SSN for her. Please advice.
Thanks for your great help.
Thanks for your great help.
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immi811
07-09 12:03 PM
I am wondering if there is any push by the immigrant community to urge US govt to let H4 people to work!!!
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vineet
04-25 06:57 PM
Thanks Folks for your hardwork and dedication to IV!
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johnamit
07-27 12:44 PM
A lawsuit against USCIS for $20, thats cheap, I am in. BRC screwed me twice, when both labors went to BRC with no outcome then I filed third in PERM and thatwhy I am stuck with 2005 Sep PD with folks who just came to US in last 12 months and filing for 485 now. I know most of BRC folks are still stuck there and I am with them, lets get this cleared and have celebrations with all of us.
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msyedy
05-31 03:04 PM
Yes that is true. They are lobbying strongly for H1b though they are supporting GC increases. Actually with H1b you can stay unlimited years if you apply gc. So there is no urgency for corporations to resolve the issue. They do not have fear of losing you as you are going to stay in USA until you get green card
You are right, but they do have some or may be a little more interest in the GC process too.
1) Because they are paying a lot of money to these consultant companies which they want to reduce.
2)Come to wall street, you will see so many consultants that are needed here to keep this economy running. A high number of H1-B will definitly reduce the price but still they will not get what they want meaning a permanent employee on a lesser pay. Tech companies cannot hire a person permanently because he is stuck with his employer who has filed his GC.
The companies cant continue to pay a lot to these consultanting companies.
Secondly this country should attract good brains, who might not want to come here. Believe me my friends in india are happy there and do not want to come here. They are living in there own homes with families, enjoying every part of our indian culture and are happy.
If nothing really works out here I will be looking out for an oppurtunity back home.
You are right, but they do have some or may be a little more interest in the GC process too.
1) Because they are paying a lot of money to these consultant companies which they want to reduce.
2)Come to wall street, you will see so many consultants that are needed here to keep this economy running. A high number of H1-B will definitly reduce the price but still they will not get what they want meaning a permanent employee on a lesser pay. Tech companies cannot hire a person permanently because he is stuck with his employer who has filed his GC.
The companies cant continue to pay a lot to these consultanting companies.
Secondly this country should attract good brains, who might not want to come here. Believe me my friends in india are happy there and do not want to come here. They are living in there own homes with families, enjoying every part of our indian culture and are happy.
If nothing really works out here I will be looking out for an oppurtunity back home.
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chaanakya
04-10 02:01 PM
Those who do talk and blame in the anonymity of the web andnever do anything and keep hiding behind their closets expecting sky to fall are the one who "don't wear clothes"
Chandu, you made me laugh (in a fun way, not in the making fun of you way). Hiding is done inside the closet, not behind it. Maybe lack of clothes is explainable because one is "behind" the closet :)
On a serious note though, You provided so many ways that money is being raised by running marathons, funding drives etc etc...but come on, where on this website or anywhere else is it mentioned how this money is being spent??
I have absolutely no right to ask that question because i have never contributed money. But when i am told that I dont have access to this thread or that thread because I am not a donor...I do have the right to question if this organization actually represents all immigrants or just the donors?? If the motto of IV becomes "Change for fairness and justice (For Donors Only)" then it would make a lot more sense to me. But as long as IV keeps on harping that they represent the plight of legal immigrants (which I am) then I do have the right to ask the question ..."What exactly has IV done?"
Asking the question is never the problem, it may make people uncomfortable but I want people (like yourself) who are contributing to at least ask IV before ranting on people like me (who dont contribute) to support the cause...Supporting the cause is NOT equal to giving IV money. The republicans already tried something similar ..."If you are anti-war, you dont support the troops"..That was fallacious and so are all the personal attacks on the "freeloaders" (like myself ofcourse).
Chandu, you made me laugh (in a fun way, not in the making fun of you way). Hiding is done inside the closet, not behind it. Maybe lack of clothes is explainable because one is "behind" the closet :)
On a serious note though, You provided so many ways that money is being raised by running marathons, funding drives etc etc...but come on, where on this website or anywhere else is it mentioned how this money is being spent??
I have absolutely no right to ask that question because i have never contributed money. But when i am told that I dont have access to this thread or that thread because I am not a donor...I do have the right to question if this organization actually represents all immigrants or just the donors?? If the motto of IV becomes "Change for fairness and justice (For Donors Only)" then it would make a lot more sense to me. But as long as IV keeps on harping that they represent the plight of legal immigrants (which I am) then I do have the right to ask the question ..."What exactly has IV done?"
Asking the question is never the problem, it may make people uncomfortable but I want people (like yourself) who are contributing to at least ask IV before ranting on people like me (who dont contribute) to support the cause...Supporting the cause is NOT equal to giving IV money. The republicans already tried something similar ..."If you are anti-war, you dont support the troops"..That was fallacious and so are all the personal attacks on the "freeloaders" (like myself ofcourse).
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prince_charming
12-08 07:38 PM
Thanks to all the moral support given by Chandvu,Pd Recapturing and all others.
With all your wishes and almighty blessings today I got MTR approval and I485 into reopen status.
My earlier employer revoked I 140 in Sept 08 . Applied MTR in OCT and got MTR approval and 485 reopened notification today.
However online still not updated - may be site is still down.
Thanks again.
- Ram
Hi Ram,
My attorney also filed for MTR on October and i am still waiting for my MTR results.
Thanks for update and good luck for future.
May i ask which service center your I-485 was?
With all your wishes and almighty blessings today I got MTR approval and I485 into reopen status.
My earlier employer revoked I 140 in Sept 08 . Applied MTR in OCT and got MTR approval and 485 reopened notification today.
However online still not updated - may be site is still down.
Thanks again.
- Ram
Hi Ram,
My attorney also filed for MTR on October and i am still waiting for my MTR results.
Thanks for update and good luck for future.
May i ask which service center your I-485 was?
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factoryman
02-13 01:28 PM
Becoming aware of what is holding back is what I am trying to achieve. When you have such awareness, you also have the ability to change.
The proof of the pudding is in eating. I beleive we have stopped HLGs and others from stealing unused EB3 visas exclusively for one retrogressed category.
The proof of the pudding is in eating. I beleive we have stopped HLGs and others from stealing unused EB3 visas exclusively for one retrogressed category.
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alahiri
07-06 06:16 PM
maybe we should also counter this:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/7/prweb407549.htm
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/7/prweb407549.htm
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prince_charming
09-24 08:06 PM
Hi Prince charming,
I m in simillar situation as you are.
Transefered to new employer : Filed Ac 21,G 28 , H1 Transfered to new company through corporate lawyer
Even received EAD and AP renewals last week.
Today I have received deniel notices for me and my family applications.
Thank God I did not use my EAD so far.
Dont know what to do? It is so frustrating.
No NOID also , they sent deniel directly as your case.
Please post if you have received any updates.
Thanks
Ram
Hey Ram,
I am still waiting for Denial notice since...... i received CRIS email on 12th Sept and till now i have not received any notice.
Checked with my current attorney and my old attorney as well but they have not received any notice.
Can you tell me which date you received email and how many days it took to get notice in hand?
Thanks
I m in simillar situation as you are.
Transefered to new employer : Filed Ac 21,G 28 , H1 Transfered to new company through corporate lawyer
Even received EAD and AP renewals last week.
Today I have received deniel notices for me and my family applications.
Thank God I did not use my EAD so far.
Dont know what to do? It is so frustrating.
No NOID also , they sent deniel directly as your case.
Please post if you have received any updates.
Thanks
Ram
Hey Ram,
I am still waiting for Denial notice since...... i received CRIS email on 12th Sept and till now i have not received any notice.
Checked with my current attorney and my old attorney as well but they have not received any notice.
Can you tell me which date you received email and how many days it took to get notice in hand?
Thanks
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newxyz100
07-20 12:57 PM
Hi,
How can one know if ones employer has withdrawn/cancelled ones H1B visa? Apart from asking the employer, if one uses the EAC # ans checks the status on www.uscis.gov, will it be reflected over there?
Q: Can an employer cancel H-1B visa without employee�s knowledge/consent?
A: Yes and remember it is illegal to travel on a cancelled visa.
Q: If an employer can cancel my visa without my knowledge, how do I know that my visa is still valid?
A: Unfortunately, the only reliable source for that information is INS and your employer. There is really no other way to find out. You could try INS although they may not help you as you are an employee.
How can one know if ones employer has withdrawn/cancelled ones H1B visa? Apart from asking the employer, if one uses the EAC # ans checks the status on www.uscis.gov, will it be reflected over there?
Q: Can an employer cancel H-1B visa without employee�s knowledge/consent?
A: Yes and remember it is illegal to travel on a cancelled visa.
Q: If an employer can cancel my visa without my knowledge, how do I know that my visa is still valid?
A: Unfortunately, the only reliable source for that information is INS and your employer. There is really no other way to find out. You could try INS although they may not help you as you are an employee.
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kevinkris
06-10 06:03 PM
Can't believe the dates came this much.. (Seeing the history from few months)
Last year also it came to 2006 but again retrogressed..
But this time.. i don't know.. i am hopeful..
Fingers crossed..
Well. It certainly is a good news. Atleast for me. :) I would like to caution though that getting current does not necessarily mean getting approved. We have had cases from 2003/2004 PD members where they did not get approved for long time despite their date getting current.
Last year also it came to 2006 but again retrogressed..
But this time.. i don't know.. i am hopeful..
Fingers crossed..
Well. It certainly is a good news. Atleast for me. :) I would like to caution though that getting current does not necessarily mean getting approved. We have had cases from 2003/2004 PD members where they did not get approved for long time despite their date getting current.
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indyanguy
03-14 12:28 PM
I agree porting to EB2 will be much faster.
Can we use experience gained with the current employer while porting from EB3 to EB2?
Can we use experience gained with the current employer while porting from EB3 to EB2?
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eb3_nepa
07-28 04:41 PM
First off i take offence to my spouse being called a "Skill-Less Free Rider". That is by far the most offensive and ridiculous thing anyone has said about H4s. Most spouses on H4 are neither skill-less nor are they here solely for their Green Cards. Infact there are cases where the H4 is More qualified than the primary H1 applicant in their own field, just that it is not an H1b type field or there is no H1B quota etc.
It would be great if the moderators can please remove such offensive stuff when they get a chance. It is one thing to have freedom of speech and it is another to abuse that freedom.
If L2's can work then why not H4s is my simple point. I wonder if we can ask for these kind of smaller reliefs from the law-makers.
It would be great if the moderators can please remove such offensive stuff when they get a chance. It is one thing to have freedom of speech and it is another to abuse that freedom.
If L2's can work then why not H4s is my simple point. I wonder if we can ask for these kind of smaller reliefs from the law-makers.
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Jaime
09-06 04:46 PM
Let's change more minds! How many minds have you personally helped change?
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arunmurthy
10-01 03:53 PM
aisa hai bhaiya ki na hum UP se hain na Bihar se, pur pyaar dono se karte hai.
Doosri baat ye ki, kis burbak ne kaha tumse ki mujhe gussa aa gaya hai, pagalaaye gaye ho ka?
Gadho ke jaise koi dulatti ghussaayega, to bhaiya batana jaroori hai na ki hum kaun hai, jaanana jaroori hai na ki kaahe jabran anguli kar rahe ho.Chupchap aaraam se baithe thay Arunmurthy ne anguli kari ab anguli ki hai to soonghna to padega hi na.
Majedaar baat ye hai ki mera post tha ek chota majjak jisme kuch bhi kisi ko bura lagne jaisa nahi tha, arunmurthy ko usme pata nahi kya dikha rakh ke stupid bol diya saath main donor hone ki wajah se do baat aur suna di. Aur abhi abhi project go live hua hai to hum bhi thora fursat main hain, to socha , chalo arunmurthy ko bash karke time pass karte hai.
Pata nahi yahan forum pur faaltoo fokut main public kaahe senti hoti rahti hai.
Kahi tum bhi to sentiyaey to nahi gaye na bhaiya.
Kasam padosi ke bhaisiyaa ki bada aanand aa raha hai OP ki utaarne main.
Your language just proves where you belong to.
You dont have to defend yourself or your native place.
:)
It just reflects in your postings whether they are in your bhojpuri hindi or your broken English.
Just grow up!!!!
Doosri baat ye ki, kis burbak ne kaha tumse ki mujhe gussa aa gaya hai, pagalaaye gaye ho ka?
Gadho ke jaise koi dulatti ghussaayega, to bhaiya batana jaroori hai na ki hum kaun hai, jaanana jaroori hai na ki kaahe jabran anguli kar rahe ho.Chupchap aaraam se baithe thay Arunmurthy ne anguli kari ab anguli ki hai to soonghna to padega hi na.
Majedaar baat ye hai ki mera post tha ek chota majjak jisme kuch bhi kisi ko bura lagne jaisa nahi tha, arunmurthy ko usme pata nahi kya dikha rakh ke stupid bol diya saath main donor hone ki wajah se do baat aur suna di. Aur abhi abhi project go live hua hai to hum bhi thora fursat main hain, to socha , chalo arunmurthy ko bash karke time pass karte hai.
Pata nahi yahan forum pur faaltoo fokut main public kaahe senti hoti rahti hai.
Kahi tum bhi to sentiyaey to nahi gaye na bhaiya.
Kasam padosi ke bhaisiyaa ki bada aanand aa raha hai OP ki utaarne main.
Your language just proves where you belong to.
You dont have to defend yourself or your native place.
:)
It just reflects in your postings whether they are in your bhojpuri hindi or your broken English.
Just grow up!!!!
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gconmymind
04-25 06:30 PM
Once you have contributed, please post on the thread and we can know how much closer we are from our target. IV chapter leaders and Team IV members will run this thread and count the contributions
-Which Thread or how to post ?
I have singned up for $50 recurring contribution and willing to volunteer...
Thanks
I think once you have made your contribution, provide the details on this thread so IV can keep track of this funding drive..
-Which Thread or how to post ?
I have singned up for $50 recurring contribution and willing to volunteer...
Thanks
I think once you have made your contribution, provide the details on this thread so IV can keep track of this funding drive..
gaurav_sh
04-10 03:35 PM
Chandu, you made me laugh (in a fun way, not in the making fun of you way). Hiding is done inside the closet, not behind it. Maybe lack of clothes is explainable because one is "behind" the closet :)
On a serious note though, You provided so many ways that money is being raised by running marathons, funding drives etc etc...but come on, where on this website or anywhere else is it mentioned how this money is being spent??
I have absolutely no right to ask that question because i have never contributed money. But when i am told that I dont have access to this thread or that thread because I am not a donor...I do have the right to question if this organization actually represents all immigrants or just the donors?? If the motto of IV becomes "Change for fairness and justice (For Donors Only)" then it would make a lot more sense to me. But as long as IV keeps on harping that they represent the plight of legal immigrants (which I am) then I do have the right to ask the question ..."What exactly has IV done?"
Asking the question is never the problem, it may make people uncomfortable but I want people (like yourself) who are contributing to at least ask IV before ranting on people like me (who dont contribute) to support the cause...Supporting the cause is NOT equal to giving IV money. The republicans already tried something similar ..."If you are anti-war, you dont support the troops"..That was fallacious and so are all the personal attacks on the "freeloaders" (like myself ofcourse).
you got the skills to say right things with right words!!
On a serious note though, You provided so many ways that money is being raised by running marathons, funding drives etc etc...but come on, where on this website or anywhere else is it mentioned how this money is being spent??
I have absolutely no right to ask that question because i have never contributed money. But when i am told that I dont have access to this thread or that thread because I am not a donor...I do have the right to question if this organization actually represents all immigrants or just the donors?? If the motto of IV becomes "Change for fairness and justice (For Donors Only)" then it would make a lot more sense to me. But as long as IV keeps on harping that they represent the plight of legal immigrants (which I am) then I do have the right to ask the question ..."What exactly has IV done?"
Asking the question is never the problem, it may make people uncomfortable but I want people (like yourself) who are contributing to at least ask IV before ranting on people like me (who dont contribute) to support the cause...Supporting the cause is NOT equal to giving IV money. The republicans already tried something similar ..."If you are anti-war, you dont support the troops"..That was fallacious and so are all the personal attacks on the "freeloaders" (like myself ofcourse).
you got the skills to say right things with right words!!
little_willy
09-07 02:46 AM
Each one of us attending the rally should make the effort to convince atleast one more person to go along with them. They may be your spouse, child or parent.
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