Sideliner
03-13 04:12 PM
EB3 (India) moved 2 months. Good news. But then?
What you expect for Eb3 guys? What may be the trend in coming months?
2002....2003....2004.....?
I dont think many labors were filed between september 2001 and Dec 2002. Due to bad market and frequent layoffs during that time. My guess is EB3 will get to 2003 soon, may be before end of this year.
What you expect for Eb3 guys? What may be the trend in coming months?
2002....2003....2004.....?
I dont think many labors were filed between september 2001 and Dec 2002. Due to bad market and frequent layoffs during that time. My guess is EB3 will get to 2003 soon, may be before end of this year.
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imm_pro
06-24 04:42 PM
i just called the Rep. office and when i told the lady that i have already called my local congresswoman and she is now co sponsoring these three bills..she sounded very excited and happy to hear that..:)
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chandarc
06-16 03:33 PM
You mean you are in EB3 right now and want to upgrade to EB2, right? Not the other way round?
If you are in EB2 already, don't move a muscle ! Unless ofcourse you can upgrade to EB1 !
Is it possible to upgrade from EB3 to EB2, if person is working on EAD after AC21 is invoked and H1 is expired?
If you are in EB2 already, don't move a muscle ! Unless ofcourse you can upgrade to EB1 !
Is it possible to upgrade from EB3 to EB2, if person is working on EAD after AC21 is invoked and H1 is expired?
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walking_dude
10-19 01:43 PM
I will PM you. ( updated: PMed you)
WD... please let me know if you got a chance to discuss a non profit situation to the recreation center? maybe we can get a room big enough for 20-25 people.... if not, fine.... we can use the chairs and tables for now... there is plenty of those for community meetings...
WD... please let me know if you got a chance to discuss a non profit situation to the recreation center? maybe we can get a room big enough for 20-25 people.... if not, fine.... we can use the chairs and tables for now... there is plenty of those for community meetings...
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ash0210
11-08 09:37 AM
In Ohio, after 16 years Dems - Mr Strickland is elected. Wondering whether he is pro immigration or not.
I looked at his website, he do talks about Child welfare, Create schools that work for every child, creating jobs and further he says - "skills for high-quality jobs" and "create/attract jobs worthy of Ohio workers ".
Does it really mean he is "Pro- Immigration"? and whether its advisbile to contact him or its "TOO Early" to contact conressmans in your area?
Bit confused..needs decide our strategy...Does IV core team & Team members will help every individual on this "sensitive" issue?
Only 10% of the general public said immigration is the most important issue for them - and mind you, ILLEGAL immigration and amnesty to illegal aliens is what comes to mind of most average americans. The perceived opposition to CIR was blown out of proportion by the conservatives and their media cronies like Lou Dobbs. That it did not work clearly shows that the american public too mature and sensible to be carried away by such rhetoric.
I looked at his website, he do talks about Child welfare, Create schools that work for every child, creating jobs and further he says - "skills for high-quality jobs" and "create/attract jobs worthy of Ohio workers ".
Does it really mean he is "Pro- Immigration"? and whether its advisbile to contact him or its "TOO Early" to contact conressmans in your area?
Bit confused..needs decide our strategy...Does IV core team & Team members will help every individual on this "sensitive" issue?
Only 10% of the general public said immigration is the most important issue for them - and mind you, ILLEGAL immigration and amnesty to illegal aliens is what comes to mind of most average americans. The perceived opposition to CIR was blown out of proportion by the conservatives and their media cronies like Lou Dobbs. That it did not work clearly shows that the american public too mature and sensible to be carried away by such rhetoric.
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99mutd08
05-21 07:06 PM
Appreciate the generosity dude..
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inskrish
09-21 08:47 PM
Thank you for your honest opinion.
1) totally understandable
2) I don't think there was any core member yelling, just a bunch of enthusiastic supporters. But I appreciate the feedback and understand the frustration. It takes different things to motivate different people, which is why I am looking for real feedback to improve moving forward. I'm sure you understand, politely asking once or twice many not get through the flurry of daily posts that happen on this board :)
3) That's good to know! There is a lot of work to do moving forward. I would suggest your joining your local chapter if you haven't done so already. If you don't have a local chapter - step up and make one! Which leads me to...
Core chaps and chapesses - I think it would a good idea to overhaul links on the navigation pages to reflect up to date contact members and chapter information.
Hi Franklin,
Thanks much for your valuable feedback, and I agree to your points and suggestions.
Regards,
IK
1) totally understandable
2) I don't think there was any core member yelling, just a bunch of enthusiastic supporters. But I appreciate the feedback and understand the frustration. It takes different things to motivate different people, which is why I am looking for real feedback to improve moving forward. I'm sure you understand, politely asking once or twice many not get through the flurry of daily posts that happen on this board :)
3) That's good to know! There is a lot of work to do moving forward. I would suggest your joining your local chapter if you haven't done so already. If you don't have a local chapter - step up and make one! Which leads me to...
Core chaps and chapesses - I think it would a good idea to overhaul links on the navigation pages to reflect up to date contact members and chapter information.
Hi Franklin,
Thanks much for your valuable feedback, and I agree to your points and suggestions.
Regards,
IK
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Dhundhun
06-27 05:34 PM
I filed I-140/I-485 April 22 and received receipt notices. No appointment letter for finger printing yet and no LUDs. Texas currently processing date is April 28 for EAD. Sould I be worried?
If you e-filed and no FP notice then you won't be getting EAD in 90 days.
The day you get FP notice from that at least two weeks after FP will be scheduled. After FP it takes 2 weeks to further processed (Card + approval).
Although USCIS says to contact after 90 days, you should think in terms of getting infopass.
Could anyone else provide some more input?
If you e-filed and no FP notice then you won't be getting EAD in 90 days.
The day you get FP notice from that at least two weeks after FP will be scheduled. After FP it takes 2 weeks to further processed (Card + approval).
Although USCIS says to contact after 90 days, you should think in terms of getting infopass.
Could anyone else provide some more input?
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gcdedo
07-06 10:31 AM
Does anybody knows when this bill is going to be discussed in the House?
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04-29 01:06 PM
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kopguy
06-11 02:03 PM
quick question..I guess, yous was AP renewal?
What is the fee for each applicant, 305 + 80??
I have a travel coming up and I think I have to shell out $1000 bucks now (for 3 of us) :mad:
I recently got my AP renewed and paid $305 for my appication. AP is not required for kids born in US.
Fee per applicant is $305 where did you find $80?
A few post earlier I mentioned details of my application process. Hope you find this info useful
What is the fee for each applicant, 305 + 80??
I have a travel coming up and I think I have to shell out $1000 bucks now (for 3 of us) :mad:
I recently got my AP renewed and paid $305 for my appication. AP is not required for kids born in US.
Fee per applicant is $305 where did you find $80?
A few post earlier I mentioned details of my application process. Hope you find this info useful
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gaz
04-10 09:49 AM
I totally get where you're coming from - I was in the same place also some time back. And I absolutely support dissenting voices - every organization needs a conscience. IV is no exception. So go ahead with your questions and ignore the folks trying to shut you up.
Heres why I contribute to IV -
IMHO the biggest role IV is playing right now is educating the media, politicians, administrators etc. about the hardships we're going through. The first step towards solving a problem is to get people to acknowledge there is one. And right now there are people in the administration who don't think or even know there is a problem.
Mark Bartosik's done some great work with the media. Nixtor has also been prominent here. I'm sure there are others also involved.
Mark on Radio (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=site%3Aimmigrationvoice.org+%22mark+bartosik%22 +radio)
similarly search for nixtor, pappu etc.
As for the monetary aspect - if we're sitting here typing and other folks are using their weekends/ days off work to get somewhere to make a difference to our fight, I'd see the easiest way of pitching in with money - for printing a glossy flier, or, maybe the cost of an air ticket, or lunch or whatever.
If some part of the contributions make life easier for these folks - its absolutely worth it, isn't it?
And for folks who refer to this as "Donation"
Its not a donation - its a contribution.
Donation refers to a gift to a charitable organization whereas a ontribution is generally associated with a gift to a common fund or collection.
I hope this helps you somewhat to get over the hurdle of moving from a member to a contributor.
As for "donor" forums - think of them as a paid subscription (like shareware ;)). Its also one way of ensuring that anti-immigrant trolls don't get through. I do totally support this model.
I know this is probably asking for trouble but no movement can be credible without listening to the dissenting voices. So here is my gripe ... You cannot open a single thread or forum without being asked for contributions these days. People are told that if they dont contribute, they are not "supporting the cause".
But the stark reality is this... If you look at the IV website to see what action/progress has been made in "the cause"....there is some vague statement about Patton Boggs and how we have this lobbyist who is educating congressmen...Who exactly? How? When? Oh those details cannot be given.
There is a link about IV in the news...the last time IV was in the news was in Sept 2007 ...19 MONTHS AGO...
Then there is a link about IV and FBI namechecks...The last update is some thread in Feb 08 and this brilliant statement from 2007 ..."IV has met officials from agencies and has raised this issue in the recent past. We have been informed that there is an effort being undertaken to significantly reduce name check backlogs in the next 6 months." SERIOUSLY?? You really expect that you can convince people to contribute based on this flimsy evidence of doing "something" that you really cant tell us ??
For those asking for money, THERE HAS NOT BEEN A SINGLE UPDATE ON ANY PROGRESS SPECIFICALLY ACHIEVED BY IV IN THE LAST YEAR AND HALF !!!
How can you justify this? Actually, you dont have to....There are many like me who will answer questions of panicked people about how to navigate the complex immigration system but until IV can provide some concrete proof of what specifically it is doing, how exactly it is spending the money and what roadmap of progress it hopes to achieve and whether it is on its way to achieving it....the money wells will continue to be dry.
And this new caste system of the DONOR forum which basically says screw you to everyone who has spent time, money or effort on IV and completely goes against the "Change for fairness and Justice" mumbo jumbo is a step in the right direction, IV needs to give way to an actual movement that actually does something and this DONOR forum concept will certainly go a long way in the marginalization of this site and community.
Heres why I contribute to IV -
IMHO the biggest role IV is playing right now is educating the media, politicians, administrators etc. about the hardships we're going through. The first step towards solving a problem is to get people to acknowledge there is one. And right now there are people in the administration who don't think or even know there is a problem.
Mark Bartosik's done some great work with the media. Nixtor has also been prominent here. I'm sure there are others also involved.
Mark on Radio (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=site%3Aimmigrationvoice.org+%22mark+bartosik%22 +radio)
similarly search for nixtor, pappu etc.
As for the monetary aspect - if we're sitting here typing and other folks are using their weekends/ days off work to get somewhere to make a difference to our fight, I'd see the easiest way of pitching in with money - for printing a glossy flier, or, maybe the cost of an air ticket, or lunch or whatever.
If some part of the contributions make life easier for these folks - its absolutely worth it, isn't it?
And for folks who refer to this as "Donation"
Its not a donation - its a contribution.
Donation refers to a gift to a charitable organization whereas a ontribution is generally associated with a gift to a common fund or collection.
I hope this helps you somewhat to get over the hurdle of moving from a member to a contributor.
As for "donor" forums - think of them as a paid subscription (like shareware ;)). Its also one way of ensuring that anti-immigrant trolls don't get through. I do totally support this model.
I know this is probably asking for trouble but no movement can be credible without listening to the dissenting voices. So here is my gripe ... You cannot open a single thread or forum without being asked for contributions these days. People are told that if they dont contribute, they are not "supporting the cause".
But the stark reality is this... If you look at the IV website to see what action/progress has been made in "the cause"....there is some vague statement about Patton Boggs and how we have this lobbyist who is educating congressmen...Who exactly? How? When? Oh those details cannot be given.
There is a link about IV in the news...the last time IV was in the news was in Sept 2007 ...19 MONTHS AGO...
Then there is a link about IV and FBI namechecks...The last update is some thread in Feb 08 and this brilliant statement from 2007 ..."IV has met officials from agencies and has raised this issue in the recent past. We have been informed that there is an effort being undertaken to significantly reduce name check backlogs in the next 6 months." SERIOUSLY?? You really expect that you can convince people to contribute based on this flimsy evidence of doing "something" that you really cant tell us ??
For those asking for money, THERE HAS NOT BEEN A SINGLE UPDATE ON ANY PROGRESS SPECIFICALLY ACHIEVED BY IV IN THE LAST YEAR AND HALF !!!
How can you justify this? Actually, you dont have to....There are many like me who will answer questions of panicked people about how to navigate the complex immigration system but until IV can provide some concrete proof of what specifically it is doing, how exactly it is spending the money and what roadmap of progress it hopes to achieve and whether it is on its way to achieving it....the money wells will continue to be dry.
And this new caste system of the DONOR forum which basically says screw you to everyone who has spent time, money or effort on IV and completely goes against the "Change for fairness and Justice" mumbo jumbo is a step in the right direction, IV needs to give way to an actual movement that actually does something and this DONOR forum concept will certainly go a long way in the marginalization of this site and community.
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sc3
07-18 02:23 PM
U know what, actually we all eb2 guys are very sad about the eb3 plight. And if we do get a visa number, we will request uscis to dsitribute it to eb3 category. does this make u guys happy now ???
why dont u think abt those guys, who filed in eb3 earlier, knew that the trouble is brewing, and switched jobs to be able to file under eb2. why you guys dint do that so far. dont blame uscis. they were, the are and they will remain a mystery for ever. its not our birthright. if DOS thinks they need more research grads, they will keep eb1 current, if they need more exp guys, they will improve the b2 category. And if they need more frsh grads, they will come to eb3. And if some exp person is stuck in eb3, he himself is to be blamed. dont blame anyone else for your ignorance of GC rules then.
So fact is we all are under DOS/USCIS mercy. 2 years back it was eb3 turn, now it is eb2 turn. Unfortunately no is blaming why ebI is always current. if that reason you can digest, then you should have the gall to digest this one too.
Ok, this thread is degenerating. I had told nothing against EB2 other than saying that we cant be happy for anyone given our situation. We are not asking for any pity, or asking for you to be sad for us. You being (or anyone) sad for us will not make us happy. You "asking USCIS to give us your numbers" will not make us happy either.
So please stop saying things which is obviously trying to make light of our situation. I see that even though most EB3ers are talking about why the law changed and if it is reasonable for the law to have been reinterpreted, *most* EB2s are responding at a personal level.
BTW: DoS does not make the determination if they want more or less of Eb1, Eb2, and Eb3s. The law does that. Also note that it wants all 3 categories in equal quantities -- when there is sufficient demand.
why dont u think abt those guys, who filed in eb3 earlier, knew that the trouble is brewing, and switched jobs to be able to file under eb2. why you guys dint do that so far. dont blame uscis. they were, the are and they will remain a mystery for ever. its not our birthright. if DOS thinks they need more research grads, they will keep eb1 current, if they need more exp guys, they will improve the b2 category. And if they need more frsh grads, they will come to eb3. And if some exp person is stuck in eb3, he himself is to be blamed. dont blame anyone else for your ignorance of GC rules then.
So fact is we all are under DOS/USCIS mercy. 2 years back it was eb3 turn, now it is eb2 turn. Unfortunately no is blaming why ebI is always current. if that reason you can digest, then you should have the gall to digest this one too.
Ok, this thread is degenerating. I had told nothing against EB2 other than saying that we cant be happy for anyone given our situation. We are not asking for any pity, or asking for you to be sad for us. You being (or anyone) sad for us will not make us happy. You "asking USCIS to give us your numbers" will not make us happy either.
So please stop saying things which is obviously trying to make light of our situation. I see that even though most EB3ers are talking about why the law changed and if it is reasonable for the law to have been reinterpreted, *most* EB2s are responding at a personal level.
BTW: DoS does not make the determination if they want more or less of Eb1, Eb2, and Eb3s. The law does that. Also note that it wants all 3 categories in equal quantities -- when there is sufficient demand.
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prem_goel
07-27 12:31 PM
Yes, I believe you are correct. If you've used the old fee structure in July 2007, you need to pay for EAD/AP renewal each time.
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psk79
07-01 10:11 AM
I received Card Production Ordered email today for my EAD renewal. I hope I get the EAD for 2 years. Will keep you guys posted on the EAD validity once I get it.
I got the same email this morning and status said EAD was ordered on june 30th.
I am pretty sure we will get a 2yr EAD but will just have to wait 2 more days to confirm this.... I wonder if they are looking at the current status and if you are on h1b they are issued 1yr and processed it before june 30, while if you are currently on EAD, they kept them until June 30th.. I doubt it but just a theory...
I got the same email this morning and status said EAD was ordered on june 30th.
I am pretty sure we will get a 2yr EAD but will just have to wait 2 more days to confirm this.... I wonder if they are looking at the current status and if you are on h1b they are issued 1yr and processed it before june 30, while if you are currently on EAD, they kept them until June 30th.. I doubt it but just a theory...
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psaxena
09-30 02:10 PM
Is this a serious discussion on the immigration portal about airlines.
Why don't you shut the fuck up!!@#@# and get on with your "SERIOUS DISCUSSION" about AI, Vonage,Lingo, Shahrukh Khan etc etc etc..
Serious!! yeah damn serious to be on this forum... guy like you are a shame and disgrace to the whole community where they just can't contribute but yes can definitely try to distract, deviate and derail the efforts.
You got all this bashing for the reason, I dun consider this conversation as "SERIOUS" and was trying to add up humor to lighten up the thread. But the A**H***E like you and other 2( who gave you the green on the comment) are totally stupids to understand on where to discuss what.
I am proud donor of IV, if that makes you feel ashamed when you look at the mirror, then I can't help you.
Guys like you are a disgrace.
When a serious discussion is going on, do you really have to post??
Just shut up and donate to IV by selling your jet!
Why don't you shut the fuck up!!@#@# and get on with your "SERIOUS DISCUSSION" about AI, Vonage,Lingo, Shahrukh Khan etc etc etc..
Serious!! yeah damn serious to be on this forum... guy like you are a shame and disgrace to the whole community where they just can't contribute but yes can definitely try to distract, deviate and derail the efforts.
You got all this bashing for the reason, I dun consider this conversation as "SERIOUS" and was trying to add up humor to lighten up the thread. But the A**H***E like you and other 2( who gave you the green on the comment) are totally stupids to understand on where to discuss what.
I am proud donor of IV, if that makes you feel ashamed when you look at the mirror, then I can't help you.
Guys like you are a disgrace.
When a serious discussion is going on, do you really have to post??
Just shut up and donate to IV by selling your jet!
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minimalist
04-10 02:22 PM
Asking the question is never the problem, it may make people uncomfortable but I want people (like yourself) who are contributing to at least ask IV before ranting on people like me (who dont contribute) to support the cause...Supporting the cause is NOT equal to giving IV money. The republicans already tried something similar ..."If you are anti-war, you dont support the troops"..That was fallacious and so are all the personal attacks on the "freeloaders" (like myself ofcourse).
this reminds me of a true story of a 5 year old kid who asked his grandma, why are you pouring somuch money building a wall around the empty site when you could have built a nice house. For him to understand and appreciate the necessity to spend money on the wall, he needs to understand numerous things. What can you tell such a kid. You'd smile and leave it at that. Sure he has a valid point about putting the money to a better use.
The point you are making is also same. There is definitely truth in that but there is more around that. When you look at the big picture , you'd get it. Otherwise, when some one tries to explain it , it will sound like a rant.
this reminds me of a true story of a 5 year old kid who asked his grandma, why are you pouring somuch money building a wall around the empty site when you could have built a nice house. For him to understand and appreciate the necessity to spend money on the wall, he needs to understand numerous things. What can you tell such a kid. You'd smile and leave it at that. Sure he has a valid point about putting the money to a better use.
The point you are making is also same. There is definitely truth in that but there is more around that. When you look at the big picture , you'd get it. Otherwise, when some one tries to explain it , it will sound like a rant.
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cnag
03-17 03:12 PM
Does the Frist Bill refers to advanced degree from the US or advanced degree
from Indian Universities also ? I mean MCA/MS/Msc/MTech etc? Can anyone
please clarify ?
from Indian Universities also ? I mean MCA/MS/Msc/MTech etc? Can anyone
please clarify ?
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Abhinaym
01-13 04:15 PM
I do undersatnd that these companies did not help you.. y don't u understand that we r not talking about u :) the statistics r these companies bring tens of thousands here every year from one country, yes on H1 or L1, not to sponsor them for greencards, but arriving here with a dual intent visa that allows for greencard application is not such a casual opportunity and that's what I'm telling you is rarely available to the equally qualified non-retrogressed folks. Once here, those thousands transfer to these small/mid size companies u mentioned and choose to stay and apply for greencards even though they know that with their huge numbers current rules will make their greencard journey longer..
Yes adjusting the quota percentages should be on the table, but if these companies hurt you by creating a longer line than the quota allows, , then you should take issue with these companies before you take it at your fellow non-retrogressed immigrants.
You're confusing the cause-and-effect. The country quota laws were put in MUCH earlier than any offshoring companies started doing H1s. It might in fact be the opposite, meaning that these companies are hiring qualified people who weren't getting GCs.
And besides these companies are all software cos that came up in the last 10 yrs, why should that stupid rule affect any person in a non-software field?
Yes we know that the current rules make the journey longer. The point is that it is unfair and that's why we should start trying to change it!
Basically it is very difficult to understand another person's pain. Especially when you're set up to gain from it.
Yes adjusting the quota percentages should be on the table, but if these companies hurt you by creating a longer line than the quota allows, , then you should take issue with these companies before you take it at your fellow non-retrogressed immigrants.
You're confusing the cause-and-effect. The country quota laws were put in MUCH earlier than any offshoring companies started doing H1s. It might in fact be the opposite, meaning that these companies are hiring qualified people who weren't getting GCs.
And besides these companies are all software cos that came up in the last 10 yrs, why should that stupid rule affect any person in a non-software field?
Yes we know that the current rules make the journey longer. The point is that it is unfair and that's why we should start trying to change it!
Basically it is very difficult to understand another person's pain. Especially when you're set up to gain from it.
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11-03 04:26 PM
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nk2006
09-15 10:37 AM
I think our argument is getting a bit too emotional and thought of letting it go but wanted to respond to a few points mentioned by you:
I was Dem leaning too, and I liked Hillary. But Obama has in no way been running the honorable campaign. He is using others to do his dirty job, if you think otherwise, you too have been sold on the propaganda of the left.
yesterday i was reading a commentary by Karl Rove, even he said that McCain's ads went too far. I think that says enough (BTW Karl Rove is master republican strategist whose tactics are famously credited for Bush's second term win - him commenting negatively on a republican candidate and saying that ads are going too far - it wont happen everyday unless they really went toooooo far). I havnt yet seen any sleaze tactics from dem side (yet..atleast).
when obama made a sexist remark, what did the press do? Nothing. I dont know which comment you are talking about. In presidential election time journos wait for a little gaffe and make it out of proportion - even so I dont remember any offending "sexist" comment yet. If you are referring to "lipstick on pig" comment - its laughable to see republican pundits trying to imply that is referring to Palin - he was talking about the new found "change" message and how their new campaing wont change their old policies. Incidentally McCain seems to have made the exact same comment on Hillary herself during primary season. Yeah the same press was sleeping then.
Let us see what happens if his opposition makes a even a hint of racist remark. I am sure then that the republican campaign will be pounded by every media outlet in the country.
Dont even mention about race. We all know that Obama's race is to his disadvantage - just ask elder white voters from south about the prospect of voting to a black candidate named barack obama - whether they say it explicitly or not we all know in our hearts that race does play a role in voting and it is to his disadvantage (I was listening to an NPR public forum where some people insist that Obama is muslim and that is their main concern - this despite of repeated clarifications from him saying that he is a christian and despite of a major controversy surrounding his christian pastor; I wonder if same suspicions would have persisted if its a white candidate named John Smith). The notion created by some pundits that Obama is trying to exploit his race towards his advantage is idiotic in my opinion. Being a racial minority myself with a strange name and an exotic religion (struggling to get a greencard :)) I know what it would have been taken for Obama to came to this stage. I cringe when people suggest that his success is "because" of his race - it is actually in spite of his race and in spite of his poor background (he came from even poorer background than most of members here I guess, he and his mother lived on food stamps for some time). Yes media might have gone overboard about his candidature at some point during primaries - but that honeymoon is long over and in fact these days McCain/Palin are getting a free ticket.
Again, not to say I like republican ideology, I am very left leaning in my thoughts and actions. However at this time, I see that majority of the left is leaning towards Obama just for the sake of leaning towards left, and not on the merits of candidacy.
As I mentioned earlier I am a non-voter, so dont have much stake in this election (considering my GC stage I wont be voting to either of these candidate's second term too). I was just referring to the two candidates and who is running a better campaign. As an independent observer (though slightly dem leaning as you:)) of presidential politics for last several years - I think in the last two elections - trivial/non-sensical matters overshadowed real issues and look what state the country is in. The reason for those two elections getting into trivial issues is not coincidental or is it a fluke. The propaganda artists dominate and try to "manipulate" people opinion. This time I thought it would be different and seemed different for sometime but last couple weeks the same tactics came back and they are firmly followed by McCain without even regretting. That is sad.
If I have had a vote, I would have thought about issues like economy, war, immigration, health care, et al and decided whom to vote. Republicans know that if people think seriously about these issues they would lose - that is why they are concentrating on personalities and slowly and systematically making Obama the villain who support sex education to kindergarteners, who raised gas prices even though they are ruling for last eight years and their candidate in the senate for 30 years (whose experience they tout), etc. If personalities is the only criterion, I have to say that I like Obama more since I appreciate the way he rose out of poverty and got great education and despite of lure of earning money (whose pull is more for someone coming out of poor background) he choose to be a community organizer. McCain has a pretty good story himself but he is from a affluent family with political ambitions cultivated from beginning and was taken under wings by bigwigs from early his career - it is nothing wrong but I like a self-made man who can inspire youth and old alike.
On expereince, just having experience is of no use. A president is someone who leads and inspires the nation - he/she does need to have enough experience to allow people judge him - being a state senator and federal senator and being in the national limelight for last 5 years and being under intense media attention for last 18 months, Obama has enough experience to allow people make decision about him. What is the use of having hundred years experience without able to inspire handful of people - lets say Sen. Sessions with hundred years of experience (not exactly but close to) runs for president does he make a good candidate??? Dont you think that Obama has shown enough leadership and inspirational fire in the primaries to be eligible to where he is now.
Both candidates changed their positions and its fair game to discuss - its also good to discuss their stands on various issues (personally I would like to know their stand on immigration in general and EB in particular - but I am sure they both would avoid talking about that) - the thing is, last couple weeks from the time Palin came into picture - issues have taken backseat and republicans seems to be enjoining that. They seems to be following the same tactics that put them in power in last two elections (in '00 the pundits exhorting people to vote for someone with whom they can have a beer with; and then exploit voting and results in one particular state; and in '04 putting mini referundums on gay marriages while the country was in a war and then swift-boat the other candidate) and unfortunately it seems to be working again.
I was Dem leaning too, and I liked Hillary. But Obama has in no way been running the honorable campaign. He is using others to do his dirty job, if you think otherwise, you too have been sold on the propaganda of the left.
yesterday i was reading a commentary by Karl Rove, even he said that McCain's ads went too far. I think that says enough (BTW Karl Rove is master republican strategist whose tactics are famously credited for Bush's second term win - him commenting negatively on a republican candidate and saying that ads are going too far - it wont happen everyday unless they really went toooooo far). I havnt yet seen any sleaze tactics from dem side (yet..atleast).
when obama made a sexist remark, what did the press do? Nothing. I dont know which comment you are talking about. In presidential election time journos wait for a little gaffe and make it out of proportion - even so I dont remember any offending "sexist" comment yet. If you are referring to "lipstick on pig" comment - its laughable to see republican pundits trying to imply that is referring to Palin - he was talking about the new found "change" message and how their new campaing wont change their old policies. Incidentally McCain seems to have made the exact same comment on Hillary herself during primary season. Yeah the same press was sleeping then.
Let us see what happens if his opposition makes a even a hint of racist remark. I am sure then that the republican campaign will be pounded by every media outlet in the country.
Dont even mention about race. We all know that Obama's race is to his disadvantage - just ask elder white voters from south about the prospect of voting to a black candidate named barack obama - whether they say it explicitly or not we all know in our hearts that race does play a role in voting and it is to his disadvantage (I was listening to an NPR public forum where some people insist that Obama is muslim and that is their main concern - this despite of repeated clarifications from him saying that he is a christian and despite of a major controversy surrounding his christian pastor; I wonder if same suspicions would have persisted if its a white candidate named John Smith). The notion created by some pundits that Obama is trying to exploit his race towards his advantage is idiotic in my opinion. Being a racial minority myself with a strange name and an exotic religion (struggling to get a greencard :)) I know what it would have been taken for Obama to came to this stage. I cringe when people suggest that his success is "because" of his race - it is actually in spite of his race and in spite of his poor background (he came from even poorer background than most of members here I guess, he and his mother lived on food stamps for some time). Yes media might have gone overboard about his candidature at some point during primaries - but that honeymoon is long over and in fact these days McCain/Palin are getting a free ticket.
Again, not to say I like republican ideology, I am very left leaning in my thoughts and actions. However at this time, I see that majority of the left is leaning towards Obama just for the sake of leaning towards left, and not on the merits of candidacy.
As I mentioned earlier I am a non-voter, so dont have much stake in this election (considering my GC stage I wont be voting to either of these candidate's second term too). I was just referring to the two candidates and who is running a better campaign. As an independent observer (though slightly dem leaning as you:)) of presidential politics for last several years - I think in the last two elections - trivial/non-sensical matters overshadowed real issues and look what state the country is in. The reason for those two elections getting into trivial issues is not coincidental or is it a fluke. The propaganda artists dominate and try to "manipulate" people opinion. This time I thought it would be different and seemed different for sometime but last couple weeks the same tactics came back and they are firmly followed by McCain without even regretting. That is sad.
If I have had a vote, I would have thought about issues like economy, war, immigration, health care, et al and decided whom to vote. Republicans know that if people think seriously about these issues they would lose - that is why they are concentrating on personalities and slowly and systematically making Obama the villain who support sex education to kindergarteners, who raised gas prices even though they are ruling for last eight years and their candidate in the senate for 30 years (whose experience they tout), etc. If personalities is the only criterion, I have to say that I like Obama more since I appreciate the way he rose out of poverty and got great education and despite of lure of earning money (whose pull is more for someone coming out of poor background) he choose to be a community organizer. McCain has a pretty good story himself but he is from a affluent family with political ambitions cultivated from beginning and was taken under wings by bigwigs from early his career - it is nothing wrong but I like a self-made man who can inspire youth and old alike.
On expereince, just having experience is of no use. A president is someone who leads and inspires the nation - he/she does need to have enough experience to allow people judge him - being a state senator and federal senator and being in the national limelight for last 5 years and being under intense media attention for last 18 months, Obama has enough experience to allow people make decision about him. What is the use of having hundred years experience without able to inspire handful of people - lets say Sen. Sessions with hundred years of experience (not exactly but close to) runs for president does he make a good candidate??? Dont you think that Obama has shown enough leadership and inspirational fire in the primaries to be eligible to where he is now.
Both candidates changed their positions and its fair game to discuss - its also good to discuss their stands on various issues (personally I would like to know their stand on immigration in general and EB in particular - but I am sure they both would avoid talking about that) - the thing is, last couple weeks from the time Palin came into picture - issues have taken backseat and republicans seems to be enjoining that. They seems to be following the same tactics that put them in power in last two elections (in '00 the pundits exhorting people to vote for someone with whom they can have a beer with; and then exploit voting and results in one particular state; and in '04 putting mini referundums on gay marriages while the country was in a war and then swift-boat the other candidate) and unfortunately it seems to be working again.
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